14 years ago Lance. Composite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. Standard equipment. at the time "Don't make me post a pic of you in that one armor. Jul 30, 2018. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. Nothing more needs to be said. Lucifer Morningstar vs The Beyonders. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. Follow 15044. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". Even 16D beings like LT, Eternity are nowhere as powerful as PR Beyonder, so Beyonder still wins, deal with it. Morals off. So, yeah, no worries there. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. PM not so much. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Since he knows past. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. No chance of being omnipotent. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. #1. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. @laflux said: MOM. Jul 30, 2018. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. Forum Posts. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. And PR Beyonder is possibly the most ridiculously powerful. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. -You may take DNA samples from 5 different Alien Races from any fictional media. FollowHere's the deal. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. Round 1: Molecule Man from the pre-retcon Beyonder era. Have not seen any impressive feats by the Angel duo. The beat LT list is: TOAA, anyone with the Heart of the Universe, PR Beyonder, PR Moleculeman, MoM The match or near match LT list is: and experienced Infinity Gauntlet User The upscale but still. The Two fight in the beyond realm. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. PR Beyonder is avobe angels and HOTU Thanos is at presence level as I read in "The End" comics. In the Presence's case, Perpetua can create and destroy multiverses, The Judges are above her and the Presence is above them both. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. Could not. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Followers. 13 votes, 12 comments. Crypto@daak1212 said: "@Danilo018 said: "@Pr_Beyonder said: Juggs has become a victim of the hulk affect and is to him former self as the hulk is to Bruce He is taken to neutral plane where cyttorak can. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. Bo88gdan. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Best Answer. Follow 8935. Not remotely. And the LT he beat was undefined. 0. 0. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Kryptonian (Superman) 2. . OrdinaryAlan. . Fulcrum. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. u/nullfather can attest to that. #6 Edited By icecream1991. Unless its stated Some ware that PR Beyonder is TTOA or has met and defeated (even if its of panel) True LT or Primal Force. You can't claim the same about Asura's. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. . Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. Home Lists Doctor Manhattan Vs. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. I do not believe he was omniscient and that is a big difference. Forums. 4 years ago. New Comics. RULES:Morals off. 3 years ago. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. ago. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. The Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Random encounter. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. 0. m limits were never exposed. He is another universe, pre-big bang. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Sexy Merc said: " @Pr_Beyonder: I'm a huge ass Wally fanboy myself. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Team 1 wins. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. Forum Posts. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. PR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. Bonus: Nothing that I know of. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". 13 years. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. Flagged (sorry!) 11 years ago. PR Beyonder had every single abstract and Living Tribunal at his knees. @kingant27 said:. Followers. 11 years ago. I almost think they should be banned. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. 5. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. So. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. PR Beyonder (Marvel) Takes A DC Gauntlet. Forum Posts. Follow 3068. Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. . #1 KalKent1297. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. And of course the LT himself. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). The Beyonder, in his own universe, attacked Protege and almost instantly Protege neutralized, Beyonder copying his powers. @asuva: @takenstew22: @shadow411: Ren and Reinhard paints the Law of the entire reality itself. Gen. The first thing here is this is only a character. unicron wins and heres why. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. The art work and what not is horrible. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". Still "omniverse" is a nonsense. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. The Beyonder: Who Wins In A Fight? By David Harth Published Sep 11, 2020 The Beyonder and Dr. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. the only times I see pr beyonder being Blinked by accident is by those above the endless. . PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. Either way, Beyonder is objectively stronger. I don't know a. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. But if you are ONLY going FEATS wise, then Classic Beyonder takes it. 13 years. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. PR Beyonder face tanked an attack that could destroy a billion dimensions. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. 0. PF wont last 1 minute in the fight. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. Im suprised that PR Beyonder isnt here. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. PR Beyonder. 1. 15. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Thanos with HOTU vs PR is still argued but do note all the cosmics were begging PR MM to fight Beyonder. 0. Follow 25782. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. 2. Maybe some people will think or debate that PR Beyonder or Oblivion wins against the All-Mighty. His will is law. 8 years ago. No. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. 63 results. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. Especially. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. He. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. I don't know a. Wiki Points. Forum Posts. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. When Thor had the Odin Force, all I had really seen him do. That scales on the top dogs of each omniverse. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. Dr. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. @laflux said: MOM. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. And the LT he beat was undefined. Posts. -5. 815. 9 years ago. PR Beyonder shrugged of a shot that "would have slagged a few million entire dimensions" fired by the only other dude would could have leveled such a thing (PR Molecule Man). Beyonder would just make remake everything that was destroyed. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. Hell is no where near big enough for this fight. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. How does Protege beat PR Beyonder? Protege vs Beyonder. Yes. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Well, since the Beyonders are just a part of this multiverse whereas PR Beyonder was the entirety of a multiverse bigger than the MU, no. ago. Lol good joke about Lucifer beating CAS. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. dope matchup. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. Who is a better god like figure? PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. 2 years ago. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . PR Beyonder 1B likely 1A. . Follow 3074. Neither is the fact that PR Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than everything in the entirety of the multiverse. ago. Next panel PR Beyonder moonwalks onto the scene. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. I almost think they should be banned. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. 11,059. Win by death, KO, incapPR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. PR Beyonder>PR MM>LT. Start off twenty feet away. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. PR Beyonder (even when PR) was below full omnipotency, he got tricked by Doom and that pretty much gives it away for his omnipotent powers that should have included omniscience. Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Taikyoku is the beginning of all. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. 6,407. Funny, didn. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. 05-03. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. Gen. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. Build Your Own Omnitrix. With Marvel having beings like the LT, Protege,PR Beyonder,PR Molecule Man,Scanthan The Approver,Multi-Eternity,Oblivion,Life Bringer Galactus and many others. 0. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Gen. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. As well as being compared to Pre Crisis Spectre, who dwarfs Odin, to Galactus and classic Exitar levels. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. 4 years ago. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. Wiki Points. PR Beyonder. Wiki Points. Nihilist. So who wins this epic clash to end all clashes? Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. And,DC cosmology is encompassed by the story of Superman CAS embodies. Forum Posts. There are like at least dozens DC. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Protege and Mad Jim Jaspers are kind of wild cards. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. KingOfAsh. Post-Retcon Beyonder on the other hand is only a Cube Being, so is much weaker. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. His power was millions of times greater than all of Marvel combined. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. [deleted]Join Date. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. She/Her. Living Tribunal was also onlu second to TOAA much like Michael and Lucifer are second only to Presence. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. • 1 year ago. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. " @Silver2467 said: "The two fought before. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. @majestic99. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. 1344. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. Beyonder is the bigger god. TOAA is above all. A universe that is more powerful. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Doom. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . Apr 2014. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. PR Beyonder was implied to be another TOAA from a different multi/macroverse. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. . PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. #1. Battle 1SpidermanBatman Captin America Deadpool Storm Magneto Cyclops Wolverine Kitty Pryde Jean Grey(without PF) Juggernaut Red Hulk Savage Hulk Grey@Pr_Beyonder said: " Did Lucifer make an Dc's appearences? or is Vertigo accounted for when refferencing DC(I know they're the same company:P)? " Lucifer made 2 cameo appearances in the third. 9 years ago. User. MM is powerful enough to rebuild the marvel multiverse completely from scratch, and he was nowhere near as strong as PR Beyonder when they fought during SW2. 4 years ago. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. PR Molecule Man. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. By no means is he actually more powerful than the Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, etc. One on one, most people would say that PR. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space,. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. I'm using universe very loosely here; we're probably on the scale of. 7 years ago. Marvel (and DC for that matter) didn’t have anythin beyond Multiverses back then in their cosmology. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. Posts. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. I’m goin wit Batman. Crom-Cruach. Reply reply more replies. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. green_skaar. Followers. Couple of things; 1) It's a bit disingenuous to insinuate that I'm claiming that Flash has no limits. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to.